Chris Hedges Interview ~ The Template For Harvesting America, Sacrifice Zones And Blood (Part 2)

SGTReport | October 27 2012 | Thanks, A.L.

This is part two of a two part transcript that’s over 5000 words.

In this interview, Chris Hedges talks about the template being used to harvest America– at the expense of the middle class, the sacrifice zones feeling the most pain, and the blood price we’ve paid for the rights they are trying to take away.

Thanks to ON volunteer Don Caldarazzo    for help with the transcription process.

Rob Kall: Okay, so there were definitely problems.  How do you see the big picture evolving then, with resistance, with civil disobedience?  What are the next steps?

Chris Hedges: Well, it’s the Ruling Class that determines the parameters of rebellion. And I’ve covered movements all over the world. I’ve covered the revolutions in Eastern Europe, I covered both of the Palestinian uprisings, the Intifadas, I covered the street demonstrations that brought down Slobodan Milosevic, I’ve of course covered the collapse of Yugoslavia itself. And when the ruling elite cannot respond rationally, i.e. institute mechanisms to mitigate the despair, and anger, and frustration that has been visited on the population, then there is always a backlash, but no one, not even the purported leaders of movements, have any idea, number one, what will set it off, and [two] what it will look like.  But that “something” is coming, I have no doubt, especially having spent the last two years in the poorest pockets of the United States. And I just want to throw in, that the reason I did it with Joe Sacco, and fifty pages of the book are illustrated with drawings and comic panels that outlined people’s lives, give them a kind of filmic quality, is because these people are invisible, and these Sacrifice Zones are invisible, the Corporate Media, especially the airwaves, just virtually don’t cover it at all.  You know, things are only getting worse. The fact that Congress refused to extend unemployment benefits means that hundreds of thousands of Americans are going to be thrust into destitution, and tens of thousands of those people are going to lose their homes.

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Chris Hedges Interview ~ The Template For Harvesting America, Sacrifice Zones And Blood

OpEd News | October 27 2012 | Thanks, A.L.

This is part one of a two part transcript that’s over 5000 words.

Chris Hedges
Rob Kall

In this interview, Chris Hedges talks about the template being used to harvest America– at the expense of the middle class, the sacrifice zones feeling the most pain, and the blood price we’ve paid for the rights they are trying to take away.

Thanks to ON volunteer Don Caldarazzo    for help with the transcription process. 

Rob Kall:  And welcome to the Rob Kall Bottom Up Radio Show (WNJC 1360 AM), sponsored byOpEdNews.com out of Washington Township, NJ, reaching metro Philly and South Jersey, and online of course on iTunes, look for Rob Kall, for this, and other ones.

Tonight my guest is one of my favorite, if not my favorite progressive author, Chris Hedges. He’s got a new book out that he co-authors with Joe Sacco: Days of Destruction-Days of Revolt. Chris Hedges is a senior fellow at The Nation Institute. He spent nearly two decades as a foreign correspondent in Central America, in the Middle East, Africa, and the Balkans.  He is part of the New York Times team that won the 2002 Pulitzer Prize for the paper’s coverage of global terrorism. He writes a weekly original column, Truthdig. He was written for Harper’s Magazine, the New Statesman, and New York Review of Books.

Rob Kall: Welcome to the show Chris, again.

Chris Hedges: Thank you.

Image by Joe Sacco, from Days of Destruction, Days of Revolt

Rob Kall: This is a wonderful book that you’ve written. It’s unusual, it’s different, because of the many kind of comic book illustrations by Joe Sacco – that really gets you thinking in seeing the pictures of the destruction that you’ve described in 80% of this book.  Most of this book is describing just how America has already fallen into third world status. It’s worse than third-world status, though, and I want you to talk about that, but I want to start with a quote from the book, which you put in the end under the chapter, “Days of Revolt.”  You say, “There are no excuses left: either you join the revolt, or you stand on the wrong side of History. You either obstruct through civil disobedience (the only way left to us) the plundering by the criminal class on Wall Street and accelerated destruction of the ecosystem that sustains the human species, or become the passive enabler of a monstrous evil. You either taste, feel, and smell the intoxication of freedom and revolt, or sink into the miasma of despair and apathy. You are either a rebel or a slave.”

Let’s start with that. This is how you’re thinking lately?

Chris Hedges: Well, that comes at the end of the book, which is an attempt that both Joe and I made to describe a system that has been seized by political paralysis, and is dominated by [a] narrow corporate elite that no longer responds to the needs of citizens. It attempts to illustrate, by going into the poorest pockets of the country, that the formal mechanisms of power that once made incremental and peaceful reform no longer work, and that the only solution we have is civil disobedience. But that comes after detailing the conditions that people are living, in places like Camden, New Jersey, which per capita is the poorest city in the United States; Pine Ridge, South Dakota has the second poorest county in the country; The average life expectancy for a male on Pine Ridge is 48that is the lowest in the western hemisphere, outside of Haiti; The coal fields of southern West Virginia; the produce fields where largely undocumented workers, without any kind of legal protection, organizing power or rights, pick the nation’s produce. And by the time you get there, I think, hopefully the reader has seen what happens when individuals in communities are forced to kneel before the dictates of the marketplace.  It’s a kind of absurdity, it’s a Utopian ideology, but it’s one that has gripped not only neo-Conservatives, but neo-Liberals, like Bill Clinton or Barack Obama.

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